Posted by Thumper:
3.20.2009
Lalime was Gomez'd by Carcillo....Considering what happend to Miller, you'd think that this situation would be like a ticking time bomb that just finally went off. But on the contrary, not one player on the ice did anything. Not one player that saw it happen from the bench did anything. Lindy Ruff didn't instruct any of his players to do anything, much like he didn't instruct any of his players to do anything to Gomez. He may have even instructed his player to not do anything in retailiation.
Thomas Vanek, this teams proverbial star player, comes to the defense of Tim Connolly in front of the Flyers net. Thomas Vanek, fresh off of a broken jaw injury, while still wearing his protective cage gets put into a fucking head lock for coming to the defense of Connolly. Tell me, fellow fans...You tell me what collection of players on any NHL team would watch their superstar get put into a head lock (even without a recent broken jaw injury) and not even react to it in the slightest. I didn't even know that was possible in hockey. I don't care how good or bad any team is...When your star player gets harrassed, someone always goes ape shit, as they should. But not on this team.
There was a time when Ruff and his team would stick up for their star players and stick up for their goalies. It doesn't matter if there aren't enough players with the balls to do the dirty work. There are still players that would, if their coach told them too. Kaleta and Gaustad weren't on the ice when any of these situations happend. Perhaps if they were, retailition may have taken place. But considering they weren't on the ice, no one can tell me that if Ruff had told Kaleta or Gaustad to take a run at Lundqvist or Biron, or to put Carter into a head lock, or to challenge Carcillo, that the players wouldn't have done it. They would have done it because it's in their characture to, if their coach instructed them to do it. Its very possible that he instructed the opposite. Whether he did or not, the fact that it didn't happen at all, to me, I look at the head coach and blame him for that.
This roster is made up of mostly soft players. But there are a couple of players that have in their chemical make up to respond. When they don't respond, there's a reason.
Posted by budman90:
I agree fully with thumper on this topic. And it wasn't just that philly game that showed me that the sabres are a bunch of pussies. During the Ranger game Avery grabbed Vanek by his cage and jerked his head down after the play. And what happened after that? Absolutely nothing. Vanek didn't even push Avery off of himself. What a bunch of fucking pussies.
Posted by MauvaisSang:
There are countless examples of this throughout the season. Ruff shouldn't have to tell his players, it should be a damned reflex to stand up for your teammates (the way Stafford did for Drury.) I've seen that from this group very rarely this year - Rivet is about the only person I can think of who has immediately come to the aid of a teammate more than 3 or 4 times.
Posted by The Common Man:
Ruff shouldn't have to tell them. Buf if they're not doing it on their own, he needs to encourage it.
But Ruff is on the record as saying NOT to retaliate when Miller got ran...isn't he?
Something about playing 5 on 5?
Lotta good that did.
Posted by LALALALALALAFONTAINE:
He also said don't retaliate against Philly after Campbell's destruction of Umberger.
The problem is that people don't think Briere and Drury and even Campbell weren't tough. They were. Being tough doesn't mean being big (like Gratton), but having the toughness to go in front of the net, in the corners and so on. And when you have a small guy like Briere, he can call anyone out. Paille was one guy who AVOIDED contact. How can you get someone who's afraid of getting checked to be tough? Simple. Replace the pussies with guys like Briere and Drury who are tough. It ain't the size of the dog in the fight, yada yada yada...
Posted by Thumper:
Briere and Drury had a level of grit that very few players on this team have. Grit in a way that they'd do whatever it takes to score goals from being in or very close to the blue paint of the goal crease.
Vanek has the intangible. Stafford did for a little while when Vanek was out....But Vanek is probably the only one that is consistantly willing to stand in there and take the beating.
Read up and continue the discussion here:
talkbuffalosports.com - "The day I decided that Ruff was neutered"
3.20.2009
Lalime was Gomez'd by Carcillo....Considering what happend to Miller, you'd think that this situation would be like a ticking time bomb that just finally went off. But on the contrary, not one player on the ice did anything. Not one player that saw it happen from the bench did anything. Lindy Ruff didn't instruct any of his players to do anything, much like he didn't instruct any of his players to do anything to Gomez. He may have even instructed his player to not do anything in retailiation.
Thomas Vanek, this teams proverbial star player, comes to the defense of Tim Connolly in front of the Flyers net. Thomas Vanek, fresh off of a broken jaw injury, while still wearing his protective cage gets put into a fucking head lock for coming to the defense of Connolly. Tell me, fellow fans...You tell me what collection of players on any NHL team would watch their superstar get put into a head lock (even without a recent broken jaw injury) and not even react to it in the slightest. I didn't even know that was possible in hockey. I don't care how good or bad any team is...When your star player gets harrassed, someone always goes ape shit, as they should. But not on this team.
There was a time when Ruff and his team would stick up for their star players and stick up for their goalies. It doesn't matter if there aren't enough players with the balls to do the dirty work. There are still players that would, if their coach told them too. Kaleta and Gaustad weren't on the ice when any of these situations happend. Perhaps if they were, retailition may have taken place. But considering they weren't on the ice, no one can tell me that if Ruff had told Kaleta or Gaustad to take a run at Lundqvist or Biron, or to put Carter into a head lock, or to challenge Carcillo, that the players wouldn't have done it. They would have done it because it's in their characture to, if their coach instructed them to do it. Its very possible that he instructed the opposite. Whether he did or not, the fact that it didn't happen at all, to me, I look at the head coach and blame him for that.
This roster is made up of mostly soft players. But there are a couple of players that have in their chemical make up to respond. When they don't respond, there's a reason.
Posted by budman90:
I agree fully with thumper on this topic. And it wasn't just that philly game that showed me that the sabres are a bunch of pussies. During the Ranger game Avery grabbed Vanek by his cage and jerked his head down after the play. And what happened after that? Absolutely nothing. Vanek didn't even push Avery off of himself. What a bunch of fucking pussies.
Posted by MauvaisSang:
There are countless examples of this throughout the season. Ruff shouldn't have to tell his players, it should be a damned reflex to stand up for your teammates (the way Stafford did for Drury.) I've seen that from this group very rarely this year - Rivet is about the only person I can think of who has immediately come to the aid of a teammate more than 3 or 4 times.
Posted by The Common Man:
Ruff shouldn't have to tell them. Buf if they're not doing it on their own, he needs to encourage it.
But Ruff is on the record as saying NOT to retaliate when Miller got ran...isn't he?
Something about playing 5 on 5?
Lotta good that did.
Posted by LALALALALALAFONTAINE:
He also said don't retaliate against Philly after Campbell's destruction of Umberger.
The problem is that people don't think Briere and Drury and even Campbell weren't tough. They were. Being tough doesn't mean being big (like Gratton), but having the toughness to go in front of the net, in the corners and so on. And when you have a small guy like Briere, he can call anyone out. Paille was one guy who AVOIDED contact. How can you get someone who's afraid of getting checked to be tough? Simple. Replace the pussies with guys like Briere and Drury who are tough. It ain't the size of the dog in the fight, yada yada yada...
Posted by Thumper:
Briere and Drury had a level of grit that very few players on this team have. Grit in a way that they'd do whatever it takes to score goals from being in or very close to the blue paint of the goal crease.
Vanek has the intangible. Stafford did for a little while when Vanek was out....But Vanek is probably the only one that is consistantly willing to stand in there and take the beating.
Read up and continue the discussion here:
talkbuffalosports.com - "The day I decided that Ruff was neutered"
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